Monday, 22 April 2024
Minutes for CST Seniors Committee Meeting
Attendees
Andy Rowland, Keith Hunt, Mark Cording, Chris Gingell Dave Mugridge Keith Branchflower, James Siabi, Barrie Heath John Wandless, Clive Fisk Frank Martin
Apologies: John Pearce, Dave Asquith & Ian Thomas
1
WHS Handicap Changes
• John Wandless was kind enough to shed some light to reduce the current confusion over course handicap changes since the 1 April. John has already provided a brief which was well attended and provided a lot of information on the blog in simple steps to outline how the changes effect us. Members should be encouraged to read through this information.
• All members should be aware that they have 3 main handicap figures we need to be aware of
- WHS Handicap Index. This is the figure that changes when you play a qualifying round that is counted as one of the 8 rounds that count in the last 20 qualifiers.
- Course Handicap. This is the handicap figure for the course you are playing at based on the difficulty of the course against your WHS Handicap Index and is always 100% of your handicap. The sheet for the White and Yellow
Tees for CST are in the Changing Room.
- Playing Handicap. This is the figure used on the day you are playing based on the Roll Up format that is being used and will be usually 100%, 95% or 85% (and others for Scramble) of the Course Handicap.
Members Playing Handicap can be found in the following places
• The CST Club Website - IG Members App - England Golf (MyEG)
It is believed all members have access to at least one or all of these facilities
• The above only provides the information required for CST. John also provided a link to the R&A website https://www.randa.org/
Click on the icon shown above and follow the link to “Course Handicap Calculator”.
Follow the instructions to find the Course Handicap for any Golf Course Worldwide.
In addition to this there is a slider bar at the bottom to provide any percentage of that Course handicap.
• 4BBB and Handicap Changes
John went on to explain that it is now mandatory under R&A Rules that all 4BBB competitions are eligible for handicap changes under the following conditions:-
• The total score on the card must be 42 or over
• One person must be on the card for at least 9 holes
In the event of the above criteria being met the computer will calculate the missing holes and if the result is over 36 points then the score will be used as one of the 20 on their Handicap Index calculation.
This is not expected to occur very often based on the current reductions to CST handicaps but it does mean the following changes to 4BBB roll up formats.
• Their can no longer be a Phantom Pro.
• Playing in groups of 4 is compulsory and the score cards checked and signed at the end of the game.
• In the event of their being less than 4 players:
- In the case of the early starters then the 1,2 or 3 players must hold back to join the later starters, in which case they will be drawn to go out in the first group of late starters. It is expected that a delay of only 40mins is expected, or they play in there own format outside of the 4BBB competition.
- Normally late starters that arrive early should join the early starters to make up a 4 ball with the early starters if needed.
- In the case of late starters, if there is insufficient to make a 4 ball then volunteers will be asked for to go out separately outside of the 4BBB Competition. These can Tee off first as there are less of them.
- Regards scoring - As we currently do, the first ball in the hole goes on the card if the points scored are the same then you can enter both scores.
• Members are requested to read the information on the blog and feel free to ask Committee Members if they have any questions
2
Seniors Charity Day
• The Committee would like to thank Clive Fisk and Dave Walgrove for their substantial efforts in previous years to raise funds the selected Charities.
• Regarding this years charity SSAFA, it was stated by the Captain although this is a nationwide charity, all monies raised will remain in Somerset.
• There will be no Roll Ups during the Festival Week (15th - 21st July) The CST Seniors Charity Day is on the Wed 17th July, all teams welcome, info below:-
Charity Event
- 4BBB. Teams of 8 playing in pairs
- £35 visitors, £30 Home players
- Max 28 Playing Handicap
- Prizes for Home and Away
- Tea/Coffee & Bacon Roll on arrival
- 1 course meal on a rolling basis
- Volunteers required to assist in set up and tear down (Please contact
Committee if you would like to help)
- Tee times can be selected on entry on the club website or Golf Empire
- In addition to the above:
• SSAFA will be in attendance all week with a raffle drawn on the Friday.
• We are hoping to have a “Beat the Pro” on the 8th for a sleeve of balls or baseball cap. Entry Fee to be confirmed. Possibly £5.
• A BBQ on the Wednesday evening for the Seniors and Partners starting around 18:00 (Burgers / Hot Dogs / Salad) is being negotiated.
• Clive Fisk gave the Committee an encouraging talk about fund-raising with some useful hints and tips, including:-
- Selling Raffle Tickets in the foyer of Tesco's and also to Family and Friends.
- Getting free golf balls through insurance take up
- Promotion of the Charity Event with local businesses, send a Poster and always follow up with a telephone call.
- If anyone is doing business with local companies try for free handouts, especially if you are buying or changing your car.
• Seniors are encouraged to get together to Sponsor a hole on the day.
Suggested amount is £100.
• The Ladies are providing a halfway house and food on the 10th Tee and it was requested by John Wandless that volunteers would be useful to assist in the putting up up of the gazebo on Sunday 14th July.
• The Committee are looking to put in a team of 8 on the day.
• It was agreed that all Match Captains for all away friendlies should go with a 4 Ball voucher to use as leverage to get a reciprocated one from the away club to further available prizes. (Post meeting note - This has already worked with Weymouth where we have previously not had a response.)
3
Additional and Friendly Match updates
• Dave Mugridge provided the following updates:
Knighton Heath KO
• Played 1 game and won. Awaiting next fixture
Avalon League
• Played 3 so far and have 14pts. Currently looking good but there is a long way to go.
Somerset Bowl
• 1st game against Wells, 2nd may
- Friendly Matches
• Thanks to Barrie Heath these are all in place and the season is well
underway.
• With all of the above going on along with the roll ups there is the usual concern about support from the members to cover all of the commitments we have.
Members are requested to fully support these matches as best they can.
• It is understood by the Committee that there is a cost element involved with these commitments which may, understandably, deter some Members from supporting this number of games. BUT £20 or less for a Coffee, Bacon Roll. Golf and a one course meal what’s not to like.
• One option to maintain the variety of friendlies but reduce the commitment is to have a number of Tri Series type events. This is where 3 clubs agreed to play each other at all three venues once using teams of 10. This would reduce the number of matches we play by 1⁄2 from the way we currently do friendlies, hence maintaining the variety of courses played and teams we meet but reducing the commitment. The Captain will contact some of our friendly match teams to see if this might work for them also.
• In addition to the above, it is requested of the Members that if you put your name down as available to play a game but your circumstances change please remove your name asap or contact the Match Captain to prevent any additional work in changing teams, re-printing team sheets and re-promulgating them on the Blog and Notice Board. We are all volunteers and a little thought can help us a lot.
4
Raffle
• Many thanks to Jim Lauchlan who is doing a great job with the raffle and extending the number of prizes and profit to the SSAFA.
• In the last minutes it was stated that the Committee would look into a card reader to help Members that never seem to have cash but Jim is using his quick wit, charm and personality to overcome these minor issues.
• Last month the Tiverton 4 Ball voucher went for £120. Next month is Cleveland, an opportunity not to be missed.
AOB
• A comment from Chris Gingell was that Roll Up number may suffer with the increase of Avalon, KHKO, Somerset Bowl and Friendlies increase. To this end we need to be aware of the need to hand back Tee times to the Pro Shop and not waste them.
• Also from Chris Gingell. Sign up on-line games is not working. The Seniors have had the sign-up on-line system for our Monthly Medal and Monthly Stableford, which needs to close 1 week prior to ensure we have the Tee times or hand them back. So far this year Chris has been spending too much time chasing people to see if they want to play despite the fact it is on-line for all to see and on the Monthly Programme on the Blog and Notice Board.
• The Captain proposed that the day of the AGM in November (on a roll up day) should be a Shotgun start format followed by lunch and then the completion.
Captain welcomes feedback to himself or Keith (Vice).
• Captains Away Day at Isle of Wedmore - £10 deposits are due to the Treasurer
- There being no further business the meeting was closed at 15:00 hrs.
Friday, 2 February 2024
Minutes for CST
Seniors Committee Meeting
Attendees
Andy Rowland James Siabi John Pearce Mark Cording Keith Hunt Barrie Heath
Dave Mugridge Chris Gingell Dave Asquith Keith Branchflower Ian Thomas
Apologies John Wandless Frank Martin-
1 How are we doing?
• Roll ups well subscribed at the moment. Currently in the
process of asking for
more Tee times .
• Will ask for more
Tee times for Scrambles in all cases
• Expecting numbers to drop once the season starts due to additional matches etc
• DQ’s -
People will
continue to be DQ’d if the card is wrong.
Everyone knows
how to fill them in and so no excuses are valid.
• Play starting from
the 6th. - Don’t.
• Pre-round Coffee
and Tee. - This seems to be working well at the moment for
all those requiring a drink on arrival at the club.
• Captain will email
Management about a standalone coffee machine outside the
bar area for use as required to be paid for by card.-
2 What's
Planned?
• Busy calendar ahead
for the summer, golfing program in the Pro Shop
waiting to be copied for distribution.
Still no dates for the KHKO and the Somerset Bowl.
• There will be no Roll Ups during the Festival Week (15th - 21st July)
Monday Ladies; Wednesday Seniors;
Friday Everyone, S/M/L/J; Sunday Mixed Pairs
The CST Seniors Charity Day is on the Wed 17th July, all teams welcome, info below:- Charity Event- 4BBB. Teams of 8 playing in pairs- £35 visitors, £30 Home players- Max 28 Playing Handicap- Prizes for Home and Away- Hole in One sponsor- £8 of entry fee for prizes- Tea/Coffee & Bacon Roll on arrival- 1 course meal on a rolling basis - Volunteers required to assist in set up and tear down
(Please contact Committee if you would like to help)- Tee times can be selected on entry on the club website or Golf Empire-
Friendly Match Captains
• We now have
Captains for all the Friendly Matches as Barrie Heath has
stepped up to do the Brean Match
• Cost for this years
Home Friendly matches is £17 for coffee & bacon bap on
arrival and a 1 course meal post match
• CST Seniors who do not normally play in these events are
to be encouraged to
put their names down.
These are Friendlies, not low handicap matches.
Some opponents may require a 28 maximum handicap.-
Challenge
Cup
• Venues. Oake Manor 15 April, Stover 16 May and Lyme Regis11 June.
Final at St Pierre 4 July. The Final clashes with an Avalon league game and is the day
after the Captains Away Day, it is unfortunate that none of
these dates can now
be moved.
• Costs will be on each sign up sheet.
• It is proposed that there are trophies for the 1st place
for each round and to
continue going forward.
• It is also proposed
that a voluntary £2 be paid for each round in addition to the
cost for those wishing to enter into a cash prize for the
winning score in each
round (Similar to the Roll Up). This is to be confirmed.
• Next year the final will be moved forward to June as per previous years. -
3 Raffle
• This task currently
lies with Andy and Keith (Vice), anybody wishing to assist
with this or take it on please contact Andy or Keith
• To provide some level of audit if necessary Andy is now
keeping a simple log on
what is spent on prizes.
• A discussion was held on the possible use of a Card Reader
to save using cash
only which may suit some members. Dave Asquith is investigating this and will
feed results back to the Captain, it also needs to be
understood what any
additional work would be placed on Keith (Treasurer)- Future
Roll Ups
4 Roll-Up Formats
• Dave Asquith proposed that a census be held of all willing Members to rate
against a list of their preferred Roll Up formats.
• Dave and Chris will
work together to provide a list of current Roll Up formats to
be rolled out for members feedback.
-5 Handicap review. -
John Wandless provided statement for the Committee which is copied below:
• My handicap
secretary’s report is brief. Annual review has been carried out and
there have been no adjustments either up or down. There were
some guys who
may have had their handicaps put up but we decided to wait
until the review in
the summer. I will update the Seniors with the new handicap
rules in late March
prior to them coming into place on 1st April. John
AOB
- Qualifiers - As the Blue Course is fully measured and
approved it was agreed the
there would be qualifiers through the winter months,
currently there are none.
These are likely to be Roll Ups and so each individual can
decide if they wish to
participate on the day.
• It was also discussed whether this could be turned into
blind 3 ball
competitions where you would not know your team mates until
drawn after the
game. This was
thought to be a good way of mixing up the team scores with
both the early and late starters to provide a more rounded
competition, this
may take place as an experiment later in the month. This may also include
other Roll Up games.
The draw will only be who you play with.
A computer will
then randomly select winners, Runners up etc-
David
Asquith said there was an excellent 3-page precis of the changes to
the WHS in the England Golf Website.-
Keith (Vice) suggested that the Blog Committee tab be updated to reflect the
current Committee members.-
There being no further business the meeting was closed at 15:00 hrs.
